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Does your website make people go wow? 😯 If the answer is no, this episode of Brand Therapy will help get you there! Hosts Phil and Lauren meet with Squarespace expert and Inside the Square founder Becca Harpain to dish on all things Squarespace design. As fellow Squarespace fanatics, our hosts grill Becca on the coolest (and easiest) tricks to get your site looking great. If 2021 is going to be your year to finally get a kick-ass website, you don't want to miss this episode!

Phil

Well, hello, and welcome to Brand Therapy. I'm Phil.

Lauren

And I'm Lauren.

phil

And this is the podcast where we help you position, build and promote your brands. We're glad you're here. We enjoy it. When you're here, you hang out with us for a few minutes in the week. Sometimes we talk about personal branding, we talk about social media of God, we talk about a lot of things. It's been well over 100 episodes, we talk about websites, maybe less than we talk about other things. But today is an especially special episode.

Lauren

Especially special.

Phil

You don't even know where I'm going with this. But you just put your seatbelt on young lady. I am freaking out. I'm fangirling, I'm fanboying. Is that a thing? I get excited when we talk about you know, we talk to people that we know or I've found them on a blog or we've researched them. I get excited. But today's a new level of excitement. And let me tell you why. Our guest whose name is Becca doesn't know me that well. But I am intimately familiar with her. Not to sound freaky, but I visit her YouTube channel and her blog, I would say almost daily. I rewatch videos. I reread blogs, because Becca is the smartest person I know when it comes to customizing your Squarespace website with CSS. How's that for an intro Becca? Welcome to Brand Therapy.

Becca

Thank you. Thank you, Phil and Lauren. And that was I need to like write that down for the bio on my website. That was the best intro I've ever gotten. I love it.

Phil

You deserve that intro you deserve every word of that intro because I'm just so excited to have you. I maybe blipped onto your radar very quickly. In the last few weeks, I created a YouTube video, which is something we have in common. We both make YouTube videos. And I made a video that was sharing some of my favorite plugins resources tutorials for people that are tackling their Squarespace websites themselves. And I would be remiss if I didn't name you in that video. So I give you a little lovable little shout out moment, which you responded to right away. And I was so appreciative. But I think it's amazing what you've built. Now I could introduce you but I would take minutes, maybe even hours to do it. So I'm going to give you the chance to give people a little window into what you do daily and how you show up online.

Becca

Awesome. Awesome. I felt so famous. But I saw your tag on there too. So thank you for the shout out. So I like to say that I help Squarespacers decode their custom code and make sense of those syntax errors. I absolutely love teaching people how easy it is to just make one slight little change to your Squarespace site to make it look incredible, and unique. I love the Squarespace platform, it is so easy to use. It's so user friendly. But I'm not a huge fan of templates. You know, the World Wide Web, it's supposed to be unique. Everybody's on it. And I love teaching people how just a little bit of code can make such a huge difference in how your website looks and really makes it unique for a brand unique for a business really helps it stand out. So that's my passion. And what I love sharing with everybody out there is how to customize a little bit of code.

Phil

Yeah. And you teach people that so well. I have so many questions for you. This is normally what Lauren does. She hogs the microphone at the beginning and she says s I have so many questions, and she probably does but I'm just not even gonna throw the mic over to her yet.

Lauren

You go for it. This is your moment.

Phil

Becca, the first question I want to ask you about. I'm curious to just get your perspective on Squarespace. Because I think the way that Squarespace markets itself is very much like they want you the ordinary Joe to think that they can build their own website. And they probably can. But if they do, and they've never done it before, it's going to look like a template to what you just said. Do you think Squarespace is for people to make their own website? Or do you think like me and think that Squarespace is actually I think in its best form designed for people like us that have built, I'd say at least 20 maybe if I had to choose a minimum 20,30 we've done well over 100 websites, I'm sure you're in that range as well, on this platform, and we know it inside and out. What is your take on that?

Becca

Oh, that's such a good question. I totally agree that Once you're comfortable with it, it's hard not to build more than one. Like once you start getting familiar with the program, and you see how easy it is to make these changes and update it and make it look really cool. It's like addictive, right? Like you build one and it looks so amazing. You're like wait a second. What if I want to do an arch shaped image over here instead or later this in the different ways you end up building three websites by the time you're done with your first one, but I will say I love the cake box analogy. It's like you're trying to make a cake right?

Let's say for a birthday party, yes, you can go to a store and drop $50 for a huge tray of cupcakes or something that you want to take to that birthday party. That's like buying a premade site, right? Or you can get a box of cake mix. And with this box of cake mix, you can make a decent cake, but what if you use coconut milk instead of water? Or what if you added cinnamon to the vanilla cake? Or what if you did a little bit of this and a little bit of that. And that's what I love to help the individual users do they want to create a cool cake.They want to start with the cake mix in the box because they're not quite ready to outsource those ingredients from like the bulk bins at Whole Foods or something, you know, they're not going to spend $80 on store a nice from some foreign amazing country, what they want to do is have a decent looking cake, that's just a little bit better than that box mix. So I feel like people that want to get started with it. And it's designed for those very, very beginners. And it's totally easy to use, but the chance to actually elevate it and change that flavor. That's the fun part. And that's the addictive part. I honestly don't know how many people on my email list. I did my reader survey like a couple weeks ago. And I think at least 60% of them had said they design more than one website. I think it's becoming more and more addictive for us people who customize them.

Phil

Interesting, actually, and I know Lauren's gonna want to do the same. Can we dive into that a little bit? You don't have to share everything. But I've watched you grow your brand in the last. I mean, I don't know how long it's been because I may not have died maybe didn't know you from the early days. But I'd say in the last year, year and a half your presence and consistency has blown up I think. And I know you don't have a million subscribers yet. I don't yet but listen to me in the niche of like, do it yourself on Squarespace. You are the go to person, your videos come up first, your blogs come up first. I know there are others. And there's lots of big publications and sites, Ghost plugins and there's you know, Square plugins, and there's all kinds of them. I know them all I know all those websites. I've studied all of them. But you have taken a really interesting, very niche specific approach and teaching people in line with what you've been describing so far. When did you decide to focus your brand in that way? And talk us through what that's been like?

Becca

Oh, absolutely. You're gonna love this thing, a year and a half. You are spot on. I uploaded my first tutorial Tuesday in March of 2019.

Phil

Ooh, good for you.

Becca

That's right Inside the Square started in March of 2019. And I said, Okay, I'm going to do this every single Tuesday, I'm going to share one little tip, one little cool thing that you can do. So I started doing it on Tuesdays and people started commenting and replying with well, what, how can I do this? Or what about this thing? And I though, oh, I can teach you everything. So I started just recording all the tutorials and writing in all the ideas. And it's been every single Tuesday for about 18,19 months now. So a little less than two years old. I've been growing Inside the Square. And I'm telling you consistency is key. All the people that have ever said that were so right. That is how it's grown.

Lauren

So interesting. So I actually want to know a little bit about your background and how you even discovered Squarespace. So do you have a developer background? Or is this something that you've been kind of winging yourself? Like, tell us about that?

Becca

Oh, I love this question. I have no developer background. I went to college for about three months. And then I rode away on the back of a motorcycle true story did not go back. I was a tattoo artist for a little while. I was a barista at Starbucks. I worked at a gas station deli, all kinds of fun on jobs. And I ended up getting hired to answer the phones at a software company very small, like 25 people. And they were so small that they had $100 in a marketing budget. And they said, Hey, Google is a thing. Do something on Google with it. Take this money here, 10 words we want to show up for do something on Google. And it was like lightbulb moment career. Let's do this. So I studied everything I could about search engine marketing and search engine optimization. Fast forward six, seven years or so, I was managing a global campaign in three languages in 70 countries over $70,000 a month for a now fortune 500 software company. We skyrocketed and my career took off. It's so much fun.

But learning about search engine optimization and search engine marketing, I started playing around with the website and realized this is where the fun is at taking that artistic side of me and really being able to apply it to everything I had learned about search engine marketing. I was just over the moon with working with a web design team. I was like alright, I want to get into this. So I left my corporate career to start consulting. And I played around with WordPress for a while and I used that Divi Builder for WordPress for a little bit. I played around with Wix for a little bit. And then for my consulting website, I discovered Squarespace. And I decided, okay, I'm going to use this for my own website. And I was one of those cases, I started using Squarespace and like, holy cow, this is cool. And a month later, I have three different versions of my website because I couldn't decide which one was cooler. And I realized I want to start doing this for everybody. Everybody needs to be on Squarespace. So that was how I fell in love with it. I went through the most complicated version with WordPress, then I got a little less complicated with Wix. And then I found Squarespace and realized this is the Hallelujah chorus in the background of the angels moment. This is everything I needed right here. And I started learning CSS for it teaching myself how to change the color of a button on a hover. And then the rest of it you can follow on YouTube.

Lauren

See, this is what I love is you are the perfect example of believing in your own ability to solve a problem and not waiting for someone to give you all the answers. I feel it's all too easy to sort of think, oh, I don't know how to do that. Or oh, I need to hire someone how to do that. Whereas, the fun is kind of rolling up your sleeves and seeing what you're capable of.

Becca

Oh, yes. That's what I love about my audience. People that are finding my videos are because these are the people that go to Google and say, hey, how do I do this thing? They know it's possible, but they just don't know how to do it. So I really get to work with those driven people who are eager to learn to actually teach themselves what they need to know, rather than just throw money at a problem until it looks okay. And I just love my audience so much. There's such go getters out there.

Lauren

So you mentioned that you did a lot of research on SEO. And that's probably why you started off with WordPress when you were dipping your toe into the whole website thing. I would love to know, do you think that someone needs to be on WordPress to have good SEO because there's the SEO specialists who are really into all the metadata and and the breadcrumbs and things like that. And they would be horrified at the idea of someone being on Squarespace. So I would love to know your thoughts on that.

Becca

I hear this a lot. There are 1001 rumors out there about which platform is the best for search engine optimization. And I can tell you, in my opinion from working with Google for over a decade, I mean, I even worked on a project with Vanessa Fox, one of the earlier developers back in the day, like Google has been my jam for a long time. And although that might make me a dinosaur in internet speak, like things that I learned 10 years ago are still very applicable today. It's all about getting the right content to the right people. And I personally believe it does not matter what platform you use, as long as you focus on that end user. As long as you create consistent content, you create valuable content, you don't try to trick people by putting a bunch of words keyword stuffing on a page or anything like that changing all of your alt tags, you just have a gigantic list of keywords, do it. As long as you don't try those weird tricks, and you focus on driving quality traffic to quality content, you're going to rank high. But I think the number one thing to realize too, is no matter what the platform is, this doesn't happen overnight. You've got to spend the time to build it. I love it when people hop in the Facebook group and ask why isn't my website showing up for best photographer in Kansas? That's the title of my website. I'm like, well, honey, it's gonna take a little while. I love it. So many people think okay, I did this a week ago, where is it? That's not how fast works. Those little bots need to connect the dots and need to connect the strings with backlinks get more people to your site. But again, I think it has nothing to do with the platform. It has everything to do with how you present quality content to quality people who are actually searching.

Lauren

I love that. Because you're also taking a more proactive stance on content too by posting on YouTube directly where it's gonna get to people. And then from there, they can find your website. I feel a lot of people will write a post, put it up, and then it'll just be like, what is it like crickets chirping while they're waiting for people to discover them, but you've got to actually go after your audience.

Becca

Absolutely. And promoting good traffic to your site is one of those indicators of the Google bots are going to pay attention to, they're going to realize, hey, a lot of people are going to this page. This page seems to be authority on this topic. Let me try showing it in search results a couple of times and see what that bounce rate is and it will start to calculate it and think about it. They really do observe consumer behavior a lot more than we give it credit for. And while you know WordPress out there has a bunch of different plugins like Yoast is the number one SEO plugin at least last time I worked on a WordPress site, they probably still are. Anyway, you can use as many plugins as you want. But it doesn't change the fact that if you don't have good content, it's not going to rank well. And I think that that can totally be applied to Squarespace. If you use good tagging, good categorization, you utilize the comment sections on there, you make sure you have an SEO description for every page that shows up in search results, someone can skim that paragraph, and it makes sense to them. Really focusing on the user and not just trying to get the data to do its job, is the best way to really rise and rank.

Phil

I want to talk quickly about YouTube, because you just touched on it really quickly. And I think it's refreshing for people to hear that this is something you're doing. This is something obviously you deem worthwhile doing or you wouldn't be doing it. And you only started less than two years ago. I only started in January, posting every single week on YouTube. This is brand new for me as well, and we haven't missed a week this year. Talk to me about YouTube and consistency. And even just focusing on YouTube as a means of getting your content out there. You know, you also touched on something really important a second ago too, which was creating content that people are actively looking for, how has that been YouTube for you? So many questions. Where also do you get ideas for your videos.

Becca

Oh, so many questions. I love it. So number one thing to remember about YouTube and why I focused on it as one of the largest lead generations and traffic generations for my site, YouTube is owned by Google. Google promotes YouTube links in search results in the amount of how to videos on there is phenomenal. When's the last time you wanted to learn how to do something and you didn't start with a video on YouTube? Really? It's a pretty common place to start. Yeah, so my first thought was like, Okay, how do I make code visual? How do I translate that into an actual YouTube video, right? It's typing. It's like, how do I make this something that someone can actually see. And I realized, recording my screen shows them literally the step by step of how to do it, and that it actually would be the perfect platform to teach someone. So that's why I started doing that consistent Tuesday posting and creating content and saying, hey, this is how you do step a step B, step C and just talking people through my process as I was changing a site. And it worked really well, the visuals match what they saw, and people really responded well to it. So tying that in with the search results, again, it was a good way of someone said, okay, how do I change a button color on a hover, they're going to Google that. And the first thing in that search result it's going to pop up is a video link to my video on YouTube. So it's just a great way to really close that gap of people searching for content, and providing the visual resource for them. And then in the actual description of the video, send it back to my site for more information, increase my own blog traffic, all about magic. Yes, but I'm trying to remember all the fabulous questions you had, oh, the content.

Lauren

Yeah, how do you decide the videos themselves?

Becca

Yes, that is a fun mix of what I feel like teaching and what people actually asked me for. So I do have a little suggested tutorial. And I've noticed a few times I'll post a tutorial and someone will be, this is great, how do I also do this, and that's a good indicator of, okay, someone's interested in this for sure. But then sometimes I just discover how to do something cool, and I really just want to share it. So one of my recent ones, no one asked me how to create an arch shape for an image, but I've seen it everywhere in designs just everywhere. It was definitely one of the latest trends. So it's like, Alright, I'm going to teach all of you how to do this right now, nobody asked, but I'm going to share, here we go.

Phil

That's so cool. It's also so cool that you taught yourself how to code and that you continue to be so resourceful that if you don't know how to do something, you figure out how to do it. It's one thing if you went to school for this, and you can lean on even knowledge or resources of where to get that knowledge. But it's really cool that you continue to be that curious and share that knowledge for free on the internet. Obviously, you have really cool setup in terms of you've got courses, and you've got a membership and all of this. It's really, really cool. But I think it's I don't know, isn't it Lauren? Isn't it nice to talk to someone who just got their start fairly recently, as opposed to people that reflect on 10 years of business. It's like, that's nice, but it's not overly inspiring if someone's just getting started, soon. I think that's cool.

Lauren

Especially since anything online or social media is always changing so much. I'm most interested in knowing how someone figures out how it works now, which obviously, Becca, you're in that position.

Becca

Absolutely. I love that, you know, because I am still so new to this the enthusiasm you can still feel it like in my voice. And in my videos. I am just as excited as the people googling how to do this, to share how I figured it out. Like look at me, I know this code thing. Now let's do it together. I definitely see as a partnership with all of my viewers and my subscribers. I really want to share my enthusiasm with hey, we can do this. You don't have to go to school. You don't have to have a degree in computer programming to make that awesome hover effect for your social media icons. You don't have to know exactly how to spell this particular word, if we're going to make this code work, it's going to be fine.

Lauren

Now, I want to know some of your kind of favorite tweaks that someone could do to their Squarespace template. This just as an example comes to mind. It's not even custom coding, but we're developing a site for a client of ours. And Phil just found the liquid effect on Squarespace, which is so cool and used another one too called fracture, right, Phil?

Phil

Yeah, those are part of the new. This is getting geeky, real fast. But there's other the beta image effects that use WGL, I think if the browser is compatible, I remember initially looking at these effects going, why would anyone use any of these, and here we are using them. And they look really cool for the particular brand. Wait, before Becca answers this, I want to say which of my favorite, there are some plugins of yours, Becca, that are on every single new client site that we do. One of the ones that I've been doing a ton of, and I never remember what it's called, but I every variation of how I describe it lands me to you. I visited this page at least 100 times. But it's where you take a block and 7.1 and you put it side by side. So instead of it just being an image with text over top, your code enables people to put the image and then the text on this side. And then you can alternate the sides. Also, I think footers are really tough on Squarespace, and I am obsessed with your double and triple footer layout. It's the easiest thing to just paste in. Boom. Lauren, have you ever seen me fan girl like this before on a podcast interview?

Lauren

Never. Never if listeners could see you, your eyes are dilated!

Phil

Those are my two favorites Becca and there's many others that are amazing.

Becca

Oh, that's awesome. Yes, the split layout, one you're talking about what I call it, I don't know if that's the official term for it, but I call it a split layout. And that one was so popular when I uploaded it. It was one of my instantly loved ones and immediately skyrocketed to number one on my YouTube channel. So you're not the only one that is absolutely enthralled with that one.

Phil

I sometimes look at your tutorials. And I'm like, it's crazy that Squarespace hasn't built this in yet. Yeah. But it's also good for you that they have it. So let's not complain. Is there anything that annoys you about Squarespace?

Becca

Oh, that's a good question. There are some times where I feel like just holistically when we're looking at Squarespace, they tried so hard to make their platform work for everybody, that it's not perfect for just one type of client, you know, they just try so hard to work for restaurants and photographers and businesses just across the board, so many different business models, but because they're trying to please everyone, they're not really pleasing anyone. And again, this is one of those, you know, don't take a gift horse in the mouth kind of things, because that gives me the opportunity to teach people how to customize it to fit their business. But I do think that is one of the saddest kind of experiences with them is that they're just not quite great for one specific industry because they're great for every industry. They don't really niche down in that way, which I think is a little bit of a drawback. But other than that, my gosh, I just I love the ease of use. It's the wiziwig editor if you guys are familiar with that term, but what you have is what you get. Going back again to five, six years ago, when I was still using WordPress, it was so difficult. I was actually hard coding some sites before literally just writing the scripts for them teaching myself just basic HTML, and they don't have to type type type. Look at it. Wait, I gotta move that line over hop back into code and type type type. How does it look now? And you don't have to do that with Squarespace. You make a change, and it's there, you can see it. And I just love that part so much.

Phil

It's true. You almost don't want to complain, because if you complain, then you start to seem not grateful. Because please don't send me back to WordPress.

Lauren

I'll complain about two things.

Phil

Yeah, one I know what one of them is going to be and we've complained about it on the podcast before.

Lauren

Thousand times. None of our listeners will be surprised. It drives me mental that there is no way to move your blog posts from 7.0 to 7.1. Tragic, unforgivable, as far as I'm concerned. Horrible that you have to use WordPress as the middleman. It's just terrible. But the other one Phil that I don't know if you are thinking of this one, but it's kind of crazy to me that Squarespace didn't come up with a way to update or partially update your 7.0 site to 7.1. And because for us, it's kind of a gift and a curse because now we're going back to clients being like, hey, you should be on 7.1 Let's rebuild you a new website, which is good for business, I'll say, but at the same time, it's kind of unfortunate when you know just a few years age built what we thought was like the creme de la crab most updated version of the site. And there's no really easy way to update that. But other than that Squarespace is perfect.

Phil

I think that's what I anticipated you saying, I thought you were gonna say being able to migrate from 7.0 to 7.1, which is exactly what you did say just with two specific points. Becca, what are your thoughts on that?

Becca

Completely agree.The actual process of going from to this updated version is just such a nightmare. I did it myself for my own site. And when it was still fairly beta, this was I think, and actually, yeah, in March of this year. So my site had been around for a full year. And I had over I think, over 80 blog posts at that time, and I had to manually move them over. And this being little old me it was, it took me like a week and a half to get myself through this a lot. I will say I love the new 7.1 platform, but I feel your pain, the transfer part, that process is just, it should be so much smoother, but it's not. It definitely takes a lot of a lot of attention and a lot of time. But I do think it's worth it. I will say though the people that do have large blogs, like over 200 posts, like so much content, maybe wait it out a little bit longer. I don't have any, any influence over what Squarespace releases or what their development process is like, but there are plenty of rumors going around on the circle forum itself that they are working on an easier update version on an editor to get those blog posts over. No idea when that's going to happen. Or if it's even real. It's still a rumor. But oh man, if you've got that many blog posts, maybe just wait a little bit longer. You know, yeah, good advice.

Phil

So it's good timing that we mentioned this because my YouTube video coming up is or my tutorial is how to migrate your website from 7.0 to 7.1. And obviously, there's a huge Asterix caveat that Squarespace doesn't give you a way to do this. But we actually, we had too many blog posts, we would have taken so many hours to input them manually, but we get this Becca, we exported our blog on our site, which was also a podcast and a blog. We had about three different blog content types on our Squarespace 7.0 site, we exported to WordPress, I created a WordPress account, which was scary, and then once we moved it over to WordPress, we exported from WordPress back to 7.1. And that was our workaround. So that's I'm going to do a little video that tells people that this is something they can do. And it's something that worked for me. However, another Asterix caveat, there's tons of formatting things. But it was helpful that we got, for example, comments, we had lots of comments on our blog on 7.0. And if you input them manually, there's no way to necessarily migrate over comments that other people have published. That was my main thing, even though there weren't huge numbers, maybe 50 total. I just felt sad, deleting people's interactions over the years.

Becca

Yeah, you definitely don't want to lose those. I'm giving you a virtual five right now for the migration process there.

Phil

I had to I had to squeeze that in there. I got some some more points from Becca.

Lauren

You and Phil have a similar kind of craftiness.

Becca

Yeah, that's a really good Do It Yourself version right there. I love it. And I will say too, when it comes to, like you talked about the formatting and how some things in the blog post are a little different, I know that all the new menus in 7.1 are like, just slightly different design wise. They move some things around on us all our old features are there and it is way more robust than it used to be, but if I could totally interject with a little shameless self promotion here, I made a little six video training series about the new menus in 7.1. A little intro for people that were familiar with seven, it's insidethesquare/training totally free six videos, a PDF guide walks you through just getting started with this new interface. So if you're familiar with 7.0, and you want to take the lead, but you're like, okay, where the heck did all my font options go, what are these color themes, and how do these work? And they're five minute videos for each one of those little sections. And one of them is about getting started with blogging in there. Why does this new setup look different? Where did all those old menu options move to? So if you want a little overview insidethesquare.co/training all about 7.1

Phil

I love that. I'm actually gonna prompt you because you give us so much for free all the time like you're such an angel in Squarespace heaven. Talk to us about you and your business and where you're going with all of this, since this is my first time to actually get to chat with you. You know, I want to know where you're going with this and mention the things that people can pay for as well from you because I highly endorse you and everything you do.

Becca

Thank you. Thank you so much. Yes, my business. Oh man, I have my big planning day set aside the 21st is like sitting down and doing all this. My 2021 grand ideas, right? But right now I'm sticking to that tutorial Tuesday for sure. I just love doing it at this point and sharing with the world. Plus, my mom watches my videos every week. She's like two states away. So it's like, I want to show her my face every Tuesday. So it's for you guys and for mom, but I'm definitely gonna stick with that. But the two things that I do offer that aren't my awesome free content. I have my CSS cheat sheet, which I created for myself a while back when I first started working with Squarespace. I made this massive list of all of the names of different elements in a Squarespace site like a blog title, what's that code name, and social share button, what's that code name, and all of these different things. Made this huge PDF, but then I started updating it was like, okay, the names different in Pacific, the names different in Bedford, it's different in 7.1. So this cheat sheet just developed and evolved. And I started sharing with other Squarespace servers, and they loved it too. So now it's over 30 pages of code names, my pro tips, how to add a box shadow to a button how to do a hover effect, how to create an outline for your text, two lines, or two styles of text on one line, here's this code. All of it in one PDF, and it's the CSS cheat sheet insidethesquare.co/css. That's where my beautiful piece of creation lives. And I still use it myself, when I'm designing sites, I really do. It's just such an awesome go to resource that I love that I know all of my other users and subscribers love as well.

And then for the people that are ready to take it beyond just their one site, those of us that are addicted to building with Squarespace, I actually have a signature course, I went through digital course Academy with Amy Porterfield a little over a year ago so I created custom Code Academy, which is six modules 24 videos of everything I know about CSS. We get into fun stuff, we get into media queries, and z index layouts, and animations and effects and all the exciting stuff. But more than just a video course, I also do a monthly Q&A call with my students where we play around with new design concepts together. And we basically look at, you know, holistic design elements to a website and how we can all improve and make our designs really stand out. So it's a super fun place where I hang out all the time. We got a little Facebook group and stuff going on, too. I love my students, they’re so much fun to connect with. But those are the two ways that I as a business will continue to develop and grow. With custom Code Academy and updating a couple of the modules that I'll release in quarter one. So it's going to just constantly get refreshed and even better as Squarespace gets better. And then the CSS cheat sheet is just the fabulous resource of all the actual code names that you would need to make any change to your Squarespace site. So those are my two fun things.

Phil

I've also given you a shout out at the top of this episode, because I highly recommend people go check those out. Becca, you've been such a joy I've been so looking forward to this conversation. I think it's obvious to the listener. Thank you for hanging out with us. Let's keep in touch. I'd love to have you back in the future to talk maybe about SEO. We didn't get to talk about that as much today. But that'd be a fun topic in the future.

Becca

Oh, I would love it. Thank you so much for having me. And I know this is a podcast and people are listening, but it's been so nice to see your faces and to connect with you both. So thank you so much.

Lauren

Likewise, so great to meet you. Now I want to learn code, which is crazy, but I'm going to do it. Maybe I'll get that CSS cheat sheet as a start. Oh my gosh, amazing.