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Ever felt limited by your website builder's capabilities and wondered how to truly customize your Squarespace site? 🖥️ My guest today, Will Myers, is a top Squarespace developer, one of my secret weapons over the years, known for creating really reliable and innovative plugins. In today's episode, Will shares his journey, the importance of building trust and how you can make your Squarespace website stand out. 

Phil

Ever felt limited by your website builder's capabilities?

Curious about how to truly customize your Squarespace site?

Our guest today, Will Myers, is a top Squarespace developer, one of my secret weapons over the years, known for creating really reliable and innovative plugins. In today's episode, Will shares how he started his journey via blog.

I love that you're embracing digital nomad life. How do you like it so far?

Will

I have actually really grown into it. We're doing this because my wife is really into it. I'm much more of like a homebody. I like being in my own place. I like having my home, my nest. I like having my local friends and everything. So I was really reticent to jump into it.

But I gotta say, I've just absolutely loved it, and I think a huge part of it is because of this online community too. You don't like necessarily lose out on friendships and stuff because all of our work we do is online. And so we're still interacting and connecting with people and doing stuff like this podcast.

So I've, I feel like I've really been able to keep a lot of the relationship parts that were really important to me going. And then of course, who doesn't love traveling and being new places? Honestly, it is fun. And so, you know, I've really, I've really kind of fallen into it. I've reticent to call myself a digital nomad.

I have a lot of like personal baggage around that frame, that framing, but I'm, I'm growing into it. I'm getting there.

phil

I agree with that. I mean, I have a house now, so I guess I don't completely identify with it. Although, I was that for quite a while, and so it is connected. And, even if I'm a little more stationary right now, I fully expect, here's my life goal, like literally, is to just have a few properties, they don't need to be fancy, but a few properties in places that I really enjoy spending time.

The plan is to go to Barcelona as home base next summer. I think my America as home base era is coming to an end. I've been here for a long time and I don't necessarily need to be here. No one cares where I am. Same as you. I'm sure. But I know we'll get into this when we're talking about your work, but I just, that's all I want in this lifetime, is to just oscillate between my favorite cities in the world. And ideally, I own property in these places. And when I'm not there, I get to rent these properties, put a lock on my office and slash studio, the space where I have in the condo or apartment or house to work. That's super important to me.

I just want to oscillate between those locations. It's probably Spain. It's probably Mexico City. My mom lives west coast of Mexico now. And so that just makes sense. And then I love Columbia. I love so many of these places in the world. I've done so many trips that I know where I want to call home base.

And I'm ready for that chapter. And so it's kind of this like in betweener digital Nomad and Homebase, you know?

will

Just trying to get to that point where you can bounce around. Now, do you want to be in those places like three months and three months, like sort of bounce around?

phil

Yeah.

will

Okay. As Homebase, three months is long enough to stay in one place where you can then jet off to little cities around surrounding areas.

Exactly. Totally know what you mean. So we've started our Digital Nomad journey last. September or something and we started off in Italy and we did one month in each place in Italy and it was lovely But that's too quick. Like you're spending a lot of your time Packing, repacking, bouncing between. I found like two to three months is like the right amount of time in different places.

I've really enjoyed that. And that's just great. Phil, if you could, I want to encourage that you should get different houses in all of those cities and just that's it. And that's, that can be your retirement plan too just like bouncing around.

phil

Of course, you're going to say that because you know, you're my friend and then you're going to get to stay in these places as well.

will

Well, is it that transparent? Yeah, I know you're seeing that transparent.

phil

Let's go back to when we met in real life. Circle day last year. I'm going to go again this year, by the way, so you can look forward to that.

will

Great. I'm very excited. I know you were kind of on the fence. I'm glad to hear you're going to be.

phil

I just have too many good friends that are going to be there and I'm going to suffer too much FOMO. And so I don't like FOMO. And I'm just not going to put myself in that position.

will

You know, I'm totally with you. I want to ask you, uh, we're taking a little detour right here, because you have experience in these different areas.

Like you work in Adobe, you've worked in, you don't just work in Squarespace for sure. What is your take on these different communities within these different companies, like the ancillary communities, like the Squarespace one that I'm in?

phil

I love that you're interviewing me on my podcast. It's really cute.

I'm gonna go with it. The reason I love this question is because I think the community that's formed around Squarespace, not as a result of Squarespace directly, I mean, yes, they built an amazing platform that has evolved in so many ways. And listen, I'll be the first to admit, I'm like, there are things that annoy me about Squarespace, but having worked on an old client website this month with a 7.0, Ooh, baby!

That's a good reminder of where we've come, where they've come. I think Squarespace gets distracted by all these, like, new features and things that they acquire and these things that we don't need. No one needs them. I think they've screwed up with the 99 designs integration. I think they were way too late with Circle.

But anyways, what they've done well is build a great platform. And what my favorite thing that they've done is they've attracted really high quality people. Like you, like Becca, like Promise, like Christy Price. There's so many amazing people in the Squarespace community. Yeah. And so that's where the FOMO stands from.

That's a really vibrant community. I will tell you, we have the same thing at Adobe. Oh, that's great. Yeah. But that's to Adobe gets the credit for that because they're the ones that have actually cultivated that. I don't think Squarespace gets the credit for that. I think Squarespace focused, you know, they built a great platform.

Circle came along, but, we were already friends even just digitally by the time they launched that, in my opinion. So, yeah. Mm hmm.

will

Right. Yeah, they've taken a huge step in the last few years with some people in the circle, like Sarah, some, a few Squarespace employees that have really, like, fought for growing this community.

And I think it's coming, but I would, I would definitely agree. It was, a lot of it has not been intentional and it has been slow.

phil

The company culture there is strange. When we went there for Circle Day, I was like, this feels like a museum. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, what, where are we? Like, where is everyone?

I get that people work remotely and they probably don't even need a downtown New York, you know, headquarters. It was just a whole thing was weird. But Omari, another great one. Like there's just so many great people. And I think I told you in real life that I knew about you way before we actually met in real life.

I bought your plugins. Let me tell you my, you want my read on you? You know, I'm a very honest person. You're probably scared for it.

will

I would love, I would love it. I'm a little nervous, but I'll take it.

phil

Good. Nerves are good. Nerves mean you care. You output such high quality Squarespace related products.

Your code is trustworthy. I've noticed even more recently in the last few years, your design, your design aesthetic, even in your demo sites, the way you package your products, it's so great, but your Code is so reliable and high quality. And that's why you're on this podcast. I really mean that. I'm not just saying that.

Like you, you are a leader in this world of Squarespace customization. And I mean that.

will

I really appreciate that. Thank you for saying that. I mean, when I first met you, I was a little star struck because I was like, oh, Phil, I like I've like seen him on Instagram and stuff. So, I mean, it definitely goes the other way as well. And I'm, you know, this is just very kind words. I appreciate you saying that.

phil

Do you get excited when Squarespace makes updates? Or do you get stressed? Or is it a combination of the both?

will

The reason I first got into coding and doing all this stuff that I do was because I had a client asking for something and Squarespace couldn't do it.

And always, 100 percent of the time, if the platform can develop that feature, That whatever it is that a client wants, that's going to be better than some custom coded something else. So my mindset's always, what is it that the client wants? What is it that the client can get? And if Squarespace can develop something, that frees up me to build like the next thing.

I have like a list of like a hundred plugins that I want to be building. And each one just takes time, takes energy. And if Squarespace takes one thing, it's like, okay, now we do this on platform. That gives me space to build out another plugin and do something else. So, uh, so far I should say maybe there's one day where they become amazing and just do everything and then I'm out of a job, but so far it doesn't bother me at all when they come out with new features.

phil

We talk a lot about Squarespace on this podcast because for my clients in particular, which are busy working professionals that have reached a certain level of success, typically on their own. Then they hire us to take their business to the next level and creating a website, obviously, we make sure the output is great, but it's the exercise of positioning and building and promoting your brand that becomes so valuable to actually make those, those, you know, next level business goals actually happen, actually manifest.

I should say for context, listener, you can go to Will's website and get so many ideas to customize your website in ways that Squarespace won't let you without code without extra code that has been developed and tested. And Will you are known I mean in the way that Becca teaches literally thousands of people how to do their own CSS updates her output is insane.

She is I know and you have it you know as promised with templates you with really great reliable plugins. Where do you get your ideas?

will

I get them from people that are using other plugins. So getting started was a little difficult, and Christy and I have talked about this. Like when we started our blogs, how did we start our blogs?

We both attract a good number of visitors each month. And how do you get started? How do you get people coming to your website? And what we would do is we'd go to Facebook groups and just sleuth the comments. And whenever someone had a question, we would go answer that question, write it up in a blog post and then reply in that thread.

And then that started to build up a little bit of the traction, getting people coming to our website. We would answer questions, build up the trust. And then, once you have that, you have this little base, and now people are just sending you questions. And then that's where a lot of it comes from. I've tried a couple times to, to sit down and brainstorm.

I'll brainstorm like, okay, what's some cool stuff that Squarespace can do or it can't do and that I could build a tutorial on. And I write that tutorial and launch it and it's like crickets almost all the time. But if it's a question that someone else has sent me, it's gangbuster. I mean, they love it.

Like so many other people had that exact same question, so I've just learned to rely on on people sending me questions instead of like my own ingenuity because that's just the best place to get them for me. For a long time I was publishing two videos a week on YouTube. I've scaled back to one because there's other things that require my attention at the moment, but one video a week would be like more of a tutorial.

And anything that I've covered on Squarespace is something I specifically spent valuable minutes troubleshooting, you know, changing the logo on a single page on Squarespace. I still go back to my video to copy the code that I'm doing on a client website. It's like so ridiculous. But that's an example where, you know, if your products, even your blog posts are really rooted in a problem that you know how to solve, or if you don't know how to solve it, you build it into your content workflow to find the answer and share the answer.

To me, that's more important than any kind of like strategic SEO move that you do to rank or, you know, it's like just solve problems that you have or that others have and build that into your content workflow. Totally agree. SEO is important. I don't want to come across like saying SEO is not important by any means, but I never had a mindset of like, let's focus on SEO.

It was always, what is the question someone has? What's the best way I can answer that question and put it out there. And sometimes, you know, I wouldn't do best practices. I wouldn't remember to do like an H1 or something. I don't know exactly what it all was, but I was more writing for the human, not the algorithm, and that is really I think has been the key to, to a lot of any success that I have is that people trust me as a person and any tutorial that I write, they know I'm not writing it just to rank or something.

And sometimes, let's be honest, sometimes I will like keyword stuff, like the title of something, but I'll admit it, like right in the beginning of the article, I'll say, Hey, sorry for the long title, I'm just trying to get your attention here.

phil

Oh, that's smart.

will

But it's all, it's, it's always, yeah, I don't, I like the trust. Trust with people is. Is the number one thing that I'm always conscious about. I don't want people to think that my blog is, or my plugins are a money grab. I don't want them to think I'm just trying to get eyeballs and it's not helpful content.

Like it was always annoying for me as I was searching for something when I was first getting started and I would click on a link and read the article. And I was like, there's no, there's just no substance here. There's nothing I'm not, I haven't learned anything like through this. And so, okay, let me try the next thing.

So I've, I've done my best to not do that. Replicate any of that with my own blog. That makes sense.

phil

How do you price a plugin? How do you decide how much it costs?

will

At the beginning, they were all about 10. I wanted everything to be 10 and it was a marketing push. I wanted clarity in pricing was like the number one thing for me.

I wanted everyone to think, okay, here's Will's plugins. Everything's 10 boom, easy. And then some people started to ask about. Oh, well, can I use this on multiple sites? Can I use this on a template that I'm selling? So I put together a business license and that's $50. And then I started to build some others and I realized, okay, I can't build a sustainable business on 10 plugins.

There's actually a lot of maintenance that's required on these. So I need to up the price a little bit. Now they're all about. 20 ish dollars, but I'm trying to get a little more clarity on it. But right now it's all between 10 and 30 and it really depends on like how much maintenance I think is, it's going to need.

phil

That's smart. That's smart. I was just curious. Yeah. They feel like they're priced appropriately. And also, I mean, you get so much value from, from integrating them and creating a website that looks really different than what people can build themselves on, on Squarespace, which brings me to my next question.

Is your target market Squarespace designers, or is it everyday people that find, Huh, I'd love to be able to do something on my website, even though I can't code. I found this plugin through Google search or something. Who is your target market? I'd imagine it's a makeup of the two.

will

It's absolutely a make, I mean, revenue wise, it's probably split, but my target market is Squarespace designers.

Like, that's who, who I am trying to help the most. These people that are building their livelihoods around Squarespace, they have a specific requirement from their client and their website needs to do XYZ and Squarespace doesn't do it. That's who I'm mostly focused on, is helping that person. And then the DIYers.

Most of everything that I write for those or create for those main designers, the Squarespace designers, that's applicable to the DIYer. So it just falls under. But there's so many other great people out there who are doing stuff for the DIY community. And also that's what Squarespace, I feel like focuses primarily on.

Is the DIY community. They don't necessarily focus on the professional designer community.

phil

Yeah. I think it's because of their stock price and their shareholders. Because Squarespace is best for web designers. I don't think it is best for DIYers, because DIYers will all have websites that look nearly identical, and there's just, there's quirks with Squarespace that you aren't going to know how to work around unless you've made a lot of websites, but I digress.

will

Yeah, it is definitely going much more in that professional direction. And I think that's kind of where they want to go, but there's this huge trade off between the more features you add for the professionals, it makes it a lot harder for the DIYers. And I noticed that with my plugins too. If I add too many features into a plugin that it makes it hard for those.

For people who don't really want to fiddle with the code to like get it to do what they want it to do. So it's it's a real trade off and you know, we'll see where squarespace goes and especially right now with AI how that's sort of going to change a lot of How people consume websites and what design looks like and how to build different things. I think the whole industry is going to go up and It's going to be in a state of flux for a couple years. But I mean, what do you think about that?

You've been doing a lot with Squarespace AI recently. What's your take on how it's gonna adjust some things?

phil

I don't think it's gonna impact people like you that are trusted as a result of having a personal brand. I don't care if ChatGPT can give me code that might be similar to what you've created. I don't trust ChatGPTto gimme code 'cause I don't have a relationship with ChatGPT

I trust you to give me code and for $25, $50. It's a no brainer, so I think for web designers or web developers in particular, I mean, yeah, AI is fascinating in the role of generating and troubleshooting code, but that's where someone with an identity, a reputation, a sense of trust, reliability, these are all things we associate with humans, not technology, I don't think it's going to impact you much.

will

I think if anything, it might inspire a Ideas for more plugins that you can create. I've found it to be very helpful in my work. A lot of, um, it's able to write a lot of code really fast and it doesn't. Work immediately out the gate, but honestly, it's like it's starting points. It's just giving you starting points for things.

And then you tweak it a little bit here and there to make it do what you want. And it's amazing for starting points.

phil

Yeah, that's great. Yeah, people are all worried that it's going to take their job. I think if AI takes your job, then you probably shouldn't be in that job. It's probably time to evolve anyways in a lot of cases.

And if you haven't started building your personal brand, that's not just my bias because that's what I've been doing, I think. I mean, for me, I'm, I'm, I've said this a few times on the podcast, but I feel a widening of the gap. So there's the education, then democratized tools, everything that's accessible and in ChatGPT and other variations and even paid tools for copywriting, for sending emails, for computing data, privacy, all these things.

And then the other end of this are the people that still want to sit in business class on a flight, but now the offering for business class is human touch and attention. That really hasn't drastically changed. That's always been my world, at least my clients. They're not paying me for information, they're paying me for attention.

Focus on them. And so I just think that gap is going to widen. I can't, you know, and I, I love tools like Adobe Express, and I'm a big fan of someone getting started using a logo template to create proof of concept to start your business. That's not my client. My client is someone who has already had one or two or three iterations of their website and they're ready for a reliable collaborator.

Someone who's buying your plugins in essence, you are joining your community. You are a reliable collaborator. You're someone that has a reputation and someone that people can trust. And that's just the importance of that is going to be underscored. Human touch is going to be a luxury commodity and it's going to be something that is coveted and people are going to appreciate more.

will

Yeah, totally agree. That's what we've noticed too is that the people and the clients we still have sort of the, we still do some, we're not all in the plug in development, my wife and I's business, we do, we have a couple of legacy clients that we're working with and we're just on retainer for them. And that's what we do with them.

It's a lot of, a lot of the work is sitting down and just strategizing with them and asking them questions and trying to help them understand their own business a little bit better, which is not something AI is ever really going to be able to get there and do. Because people don't know what they don't know.

I think that's sort of where it sits for me. People don't know what they don't know, and you can't ask AI a question if you don't know what question to ask it. It can't help you answer it. That's where that high ticket, high touch offering is. It's only going to become more valuable.

phil

Yeah. You've been smart with how you've grown your business.

You have multiple income streams. I'm very passionate about that. What does your business look like? What are the different income streams that you have?

will

It is mostly plugins right now. Then I have a membership as well called the CodeCurious Membership and that's for people who are interested in learning more about code specifically within the context of Squarespace.

So those are two revenue streams on sort of like the Squarespace specific side. And then our business that we started seven, eight years ago, we called it Otis online things and internet stuff. And it's just very broad. And we have two legacy clients that we work with on that side. And that is much more of, we do a lot of development work for them, building, coding stuff out.

But, and then a lot of stuff is also just helping them think through their whole online strategy, how that works, how their memberships work, how their online courses work, keeping everything integrated for them. But that's not something we're actively looking to grow and increase. We, we love those clients.

We're going to keep those, but the plug ins and the membership is kind of the area where we're focused a little bit more on growing.

phil

You want to grow it. And scale it. But it sounds like you've built a real lifestyle business. Like you've got these kind of levers that you can pull based on your goals.

will

And yeah, you know, yeah. And again, that's another one of those like trigger words for me, the lifestyle business, just because. I don't know. This is brand therapy, right? We're leaning heavy into the therapy side of things.

phil

100%. That's where we got the name of it from. Yeah. I love it.

will

I've never, I never sought out to build a lifestyle business, but that is what I created.

I always, I'm very engineering minded and I like to Think that I'm like a serious person and I do serious work, but what I've created is a lifestyle business. And what I'm realizing is that just sort of my view of what a lifestyle business is, has not been correct. And we can do, we can create a life. It is okay to create a life that you really enjoy and be really good at your craft and do it really well and create good work.

And I think in, in my mind, those weren't compatible. You had to choose one or the other. And what I'm realizing is, is no, you can do both. You can be serious. You can do really good work. And you can create a life that you want for yourself. And that sounds so cliche. I kind of hate even saying that, but.

phil

I don't think it sounds cliche, because I'm passionate. I'm really clearly passionate about it. And I see you doing something similar. I really like how you've got your two legacy clients that keeps you in the trenches of actually doing client work and it's going to inspire along with the requests and things you observe. It's going to inspire the products that you build that you can completely scale.

I think it's really impressive that you've built a business that hopefully isn't too stressful. We all have our moments. But like, it would be more stressful if you had 10 clients and you were constantly prospecting for business and you were growing. The fact is, you and your wife are a team, right? And you guys lean into a business that complements your life.

I really think it's impressive. I also think it's the future.

will

Thank you.

phil

I can tell you a lot of people are y'all have done the same. Yes, and I'm in the process of simplifying my business in many respects, because I like you felt a little bit of pressure to be a certain way or to do as many things as possible and to increase the bottom line.

Right now I'm to the point where I'm kind of like, Yeah, I really just want to be fulfilled by my work. I obviously need to make a living, and I'm motivated to grow, but I also am motivated to have a life that I, that gives me free time to enjoy things. And I also, I want, it's not just about how much money I make.

If it's a client project that I'm not fulfilled by, then I don't really want to do it.

will

I couldn’t agree more. We've gotten some offers from some other people to do stuff and it's less about the money at those points. And there are times like the hundred percent. I'm not telling someone if you're just at the beginning of your business and you're getting offers to do some work, you might have to pick up something you don't enjoy doing just to get off the ground.

We all had to do that. Yeah. Oh, definitely. But there is a time You start to realize, well, I could do this and maybe even I could make more money doing this. But like, is this who I want to be in like five years? Do I want to wake up in five years and be better at whatever skill this is? Or would I rather wake up in five years and have this amazing plug in store with, with really beautiful code and really nice examples that people could look, look through?

And that just excites me more. That's just something I want to be doing more. And those trade offs have, you know, I'll be honest, they've been very difficult. They've been very difficult to make. Cause like the financial constraints are nerve wracking a little bit, especially when you're working for yourself and you're like, wait, how much am I supposed to be putting away for retirement?

I don't have like. a retirement plan? How do I get health care insurance? We don't have kids, but like if we were to have kids, we need to really up our insurance, our health insurance. So where's that money going to come from? So we need to grow. So it's just like, there's a lot of stresses and pressures on all of that.

But again, at the end of the day, maybe you can get all your money and do that. But if you're waking up, just like sad and exhausted.

phil

Yeah, I think it's a good realization. It definitely is stressful to like be in a position where you're saying no, or what can feel like saying no to money or no to an opportunity or something.

Right. I'm finding myself in that position where I'm like, oh my God, I'm saying no to a project, but that could be. You know, should I be doing that? But we also have to realize that, you know, every time you say yes, you're inevitably saying no to something else. And I've witnessed that, I'd say, in the last year.

I've really witnessed the impact of that, that I sometimes don't realize because I say yes, because I want to please everyone. Now I'm kind of like, well, by saying yes to that, I have to say no to this other thing. And, you know. We also got to take time to learn these things ourselves, and that shouldn't be rushed either.

will

Well, that's the thing for me, I'm just like so stubborn. No one would have been able to tell me that and I would have heard it. Like I had to learn these things and I had to push through and I had to say yes to a million things and get super burnt out to realize, okay, maybe I'm letting my people pleasing nature drive this business rather than like me driving this business or what I want in life. And like, maybe I'll wake up in 20 years and have a pleased a bunch of people. But like you said, honestly, you please the people that are in front of you, but then there's a lot of people you please the loud ones, because those are the ones that will give you loud praise.

But then there's all the quiet ones behind who maybe even care about more and have deeper relationships with, but you sort of ignored them because you, you follow me that people I'm, I'm really. Delving into the people pleasing side of this because that's that is just exactly who I am and I'm I'm working through it I'm therapizing my way through it.

phil

Thank you You're allowed to we create this space for you You said something funny earlier while I found it funny because it reminded me of something. You described yourself as a serious person and I I didn't know what to expect when I met you in real life, and I didn't know you were nearly as lovely as you actually are, because your profile photo has been the same for a long time.

It's this black and white photo of you doing this super serious face, and I'm gonna have to ask you to put it on your radar to update that thing, because you are literally such a lovely human, and I thought you were gonna be mean when I met you. I appreciate that. Really appreciate you saying that right after I did my whole thing on people pleasing, because now I want to do that for you.

That's been something I've needed to do. Getting headshots has been something I've needed to do for a very long time. It's been something I've, I just haven't done. So thank you for the reminder. I need to update that. Well, it's really easy, especially if you're traveling. A really great way to find a photographer while you're on the road is, uh, Website called flytographer.

My friend, Nicole is the CEO of Canadian company. She's in Victoria. She's also incredibly lovely, but has basically amassed an army of amazing photographers that do travel photography. They have a package lesser known. I think you pay a little bit more to be able to shoot with their photographer, but be able to use the images that you get from that shoot.

Commercially, so great for any kind of photos on your website, any kind of like speaking gigs, updating a headshot, etc. So I have done more than 20 photo shoots around the world, thanks to Flytographer. Very reasonably priced, incredibly skilled photographers. It just might be something fun you and your wife can do while you're on these like digital nomad adventures.

will

Absolutely. Thank you. That is an excellent recommendation.

phil

I don't want to hear the excuse just cause you're a developer doesn't mean you don't need a kilo headshot. You need one. You've got a personal brand.

will

Thank you. I do need a headshot. It's time to update it. The current one is way too serious. It is too serious, and I say I'm a serious person, I'm really not, I'm like way super goofy and not this stodgy serious person, so I think you're right.

phil

Thank you. Okay, well that leads to my final question, which is, what are you excited about right now? And you can answer with that.

will

Oh man, okay, what am I excited about right now? What are you excited about? It could be Squarespace specific, it could be travel, it could be business, I just want to know what Will Myers is excited about right now.

I'll be honest, I live so much in the day to day. This is kind of my helpful, hurtful quality. I'm so focused on like the day to day and getting the next thing done. And I love that. It's not, I'm not bored by it. I have a hard time getting big picture and thinking about what I'm excited about, but we just got here to Chattanooga.

I'm excited to explore a new city. I'm excited to see what it's like living in a smaller ish American city. Cause we, we came from Atlanta and that's like a much larger one. So this is like a smaller ish with enough going on, a lot around. Yeah, I think that's kind of it. I'm excited to explore right now.

phil

Well, I look forward to seeing you in September in New York. But where can our listeners in the meantime get more from you? will-myers.com and that's not spelled out bash. That's just, that's just a dash. Will Myers, Myers is M Y E R S. It's not M E Y. I get that mistake a lot, but yeah, just check me out on my website. That'd be great.

phil

That would be great. You should do it. And honestly, like I said, Will's website is bookmarked for me on every single client website I'm working on. It's like a destination I go where I think, what could I do to jazz up this website further? And you just have done such a great job creating plugins that people need.

It's just really, really excellent.

will

Well, thank you so much. And thank you for just everything you do in the creator space. You are a. beacon of light and of information for all of us. And I really, really appreciate it.

]phil

Well, it's been fun having you on Brand Therapy. We need to do this again sometime.

will

We should. I would love to do this again. Let's do it again